Electric vehicles are booming in California, but many renter-heavy, working-class neighborhoods still face real barriers: upfront cost, limited home charging, and uneven infrastructure. Dino explores EV equity on L.A.’s Eastside with Lidia Camarillo (William C. Velásquez Institute), Minh Le (LA County), and Stella Ursua (GRID Alternatives), plus details on the Take Charge Live webinar Feb. 4. Aired live on 90.7 FM KPFK Los Angeles on January 31 2026.
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ANNOUNCER
Kpfk 90.7 FM Los Angeles.
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MUSIC INTRO
The whole run by a handful of greedy bankers and CEOs who nobody elected. What can't possibly last?
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MUSIC INTRO
I'm going to tell you what I'm going to say.
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MUSIC INTRO
But you really only have to remember you're two words.
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DINO
Hey, welcome to Los Angeles. This is the signal. Use information and analysis on your host Dino for another great episode here from Kpfk in Los Angeles. 90.7 FM 98.7 FM in Santa Barbara, 93.7 FM in San Diego, and 99.5 FM in Ridgecrest, China. Welcome for another episode of Good Community Public Radio. Today we're going to take a break from our what has been regular, consistent series of politics tacos and beer.
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DINO
I had a few folks reach out to me from our political community saying, hey, Dino, what are you covering today? And today, actually, our episode is going to examine transportation, equity, cost of living, public investment, particularly as the electric vehicle infrastructure expands across the Golden State, more specifically Los Angeles County. Well, EV adoption continues to accelerate statewide. Many working class, renter heavy communities face persistent barriers related to affordability, charging access, and inclusion of planning decisions.
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DINO
So today's conversation will focus on the East side in communities like East Los Angeles, City Terrace, Boyle Heights, Lincoln Heights which, by the way, also has some of the best, tacos. Just putting that out there. And where county and city agencies, community based organizations and research institutions are all working together to deploy EV charging infrastructure in community education rooted in equity and access.
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DINO
Now, with that said, and as we launch into the program, I do want to take a moment and recognize, acknowledge a moment to honor the life of Alex Preti. I know that we said today's episode was not going to be one of our political series, but it there's something that needs to be said, right? This young 37 year old ICU nurse, from the Minneapolis VA medical center, who dedicate his career to caring for others and whose life was tragically taken in a confrontation with Ice and other federal agents, who essentially murdered him, while he was seeking to support and help a woman who was in distress.
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DINO
Our thoughts, are with his family and all those who are mourning his passing. And I want to remind all of you that part of what we do here at Kpfk and on kpfk.org is to cover these types of issues, not just because they are news or information and analysis, but because we are obligated to do so. When one community member falls, we all must stand up together and represent.
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DINO
So with that said, let's get into it. Today, as I said, today's episode will also preview and not only, examine this issue of transportation equity, but we're also going to preview, a project called Take Charge Live. It's actually going to be a virtual community event taking place, next month or in a few days, actually February 4th at 12 p.m., designed to connect residents directly with information resources and other, decision makers about this growing issue of EV technology electronic vehicles.
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DINO
My guests will include, Stella, also our director of community engagement and partnerships with Grid Alternatives, Greater Los Angeles. I will also have as a special guest Lydia Camarillo, president of the William C Velasquez Institute and in studio with me, mainly, who is the general manager now? This brother, this brother is holding it down. General manager for energy for all of L.A. County.
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DINO
And he's in studio, here with us now, talking about this broad based, energy infrastructure that's being built for communities and particularly focusing on communities that have been underserved. That is what we do here at Kpfk. So with that said, we're going to get right into it. But let's let's take a little let's take a minute to provide some background.
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DINO
Right. And how all of this got started. So indulge me for a second, folks. Check this out. Right. So when people talk about electronic vehicles or electric electric vehicles, especially first time buyers, the story often sounds like it's a new story or recent story. In fact, I was talking to them in here and we're both, you know, ten plus year owners of, electric vehicles.
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DINO
And for us, it's not new. We've gone one, two, three generations already. In fact, I was sharing with him that I am on my third. And, you know, my son inherited the first one. My daughter inherited the second one. And, you know, I'm hooked. I'm in it, man. You know, I see the difference. I seen what I've saved and my own personal life.
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DINO
So, you know, this is one of the reasons that I really got interested. When this idea was pitched to me, I said, oh, man, let's not do a segment. Let's cover this extensively. You know, California leads the United States and EV adoption by every major measure. And Ben might correct me. So I hope my, you know, energy drink field research team got all of this right, because this man knows it all when it comes down to this.
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DINO
But as of 2023, the state had more than 1.2 million electric vehicles registered, far more than any other state. That accounted for roughly 3.4% of all registered vehicles in California, nearly half of the nation's EVs. Nationally, EVs made up just about 1.4% of all vehicles. Now, when it comes down to sales of electric vehicles in California, that's climbed up rapidly in 2020 for about 1 in 4 cars registered in this state with zero emission were zero emission vehicles.
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DINO
That share grew from roughly 1 in 13 in 2020 by the third quarter of 2025. Just last year, EVs made up a record 29% of new car sales statewide, meaning roughly 125,000 new EVs were sold in that quarter alone. So there's clearly a boom. Ladies and gentlemen, now these sales include battery electric vehicles, plug in hybrids, the broader category of zero emission vehicles.
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DINO
All of that together now totals 2.4 million by the numbers alone. That still doesn't tell the full story. Heavy use and adoption vary widely across geographic and economic landscapes. Now, this is where we get into this, right? This is why we, started to look at that. This topic a little bit more deep in Los Angeles County, ownership has expanded quickly, rising from about 1.9% of vehicles in 2020 to roughly 7.3% in 2024.
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DINO
Across California, early adopters tended to cluster and wealthier and close to zip codes. Men and I were talking about this just a few minutes before we went on the air in some affluent areas near Los Angeles and the Bay area, more than 10% of the vehicles are electric, while in many Central Valley and then communities, EV ownership remains under 1%, according to our research.
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DINO
So charging infrastructure is also been a big issue, and that'll be the focus of our program today. It's expanding, yes, but unfortunately there's still some unevenness in that expansion and why we have our guest today to describe the type of investment that's going into that which leads, which speaks to the acknowledgment and the recognition by our city and county officials to say, okay, we need to do more.
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DINO
California now tracks EV growth using official registration data from the Department of Motor Vehicles. This makes the state's measurements among the most accurate in the country. So when we talk about EV transition here, this is not just about clean cars. It's about who gets access. Folks, where those cars are being driven and how quickly infrastructure can meet demand.
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DINO
In places like L.A. County, where residents rely on cars every single day. I mean, granted, like some of us are a bit lazy when it comes down to our car culture. We will drive five blocks because we don't want to walk five blocks. All right, fair enough. Right? We know it. Okay, I might even be guilty of that.
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DINO
But that is what today's program will focus on. The local initiatives designed to close those gaps with regard to charging access, affordability, and in particular in neighborhoods where infrastructure continues to lag and what it will take to make EV transitions work in real life for people, all people across L.A. County. Now, with that little background, which might have gone a little fast, but I'm trying to preserve as much time as we can.
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DINO
And by the way, we are going to take some calls right later on in this hour. So start preparing yourselves. I got my producer, as you know, threatening to take my bananas away because I, as many of you already know, I love my Saturday morning banana. We're going to take calls. 98557359855735. When you hit that call, you can hit that option one just to avoid the computer saying, do you want to get on the air?
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DINO
Do you want to talk to Dino? Do you want to talk to his guest? 9855735. All right, so with that, let me introduce my first guest. My first guest comes to us by way. Actually, we've covered, I think we've talked to our first guest in the past, but, you know, she's participated in the community research equity and in fact, as a leader, among the community here in Southern California, my guest is Lidia Camarillo, who is the president of the Willie C Velasquez Institute.
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DINO
Lidia and her team have played a central role recently in shaping the data, research and civic engagement strategy that centers community voices in this overall EV infrastructure planning. Video welcome back to The Signal.
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
Thank you. Thank you so much.
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DINO
So you heard me give out some of this information. You know, a little background. But why don't you walk us through the beginnings of this? How did the Take Charge initiative originate? And and how did you guys first start to identify these gaps that I mentioned on the show, on the underpinning?
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
Well, first of all, thank you again for the invitation. And I want to thank our partners for with us today in this in this conversation, I think it's important for us to remember that the CVI, has been around for over 40 years with the idea that we would work on public policy issues that mattered to the Latino community.
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
In 2004, the late of our late friend and president of the William Su, Alaska's Antonio Gonzalez, decided and agreed with most groups where we're not thinking about environmental issues, that it was important for our community to take real steps to think about environmental projects and issues. And he took he led us into projects in Los Angeles that brought real resources to our community.
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
And this led for us to be involved with the electric vehicle and the nature of it. We got very lucky to work very closely with the County of Los Angeles main and Jennifer, and others in the city to talk about how do we make sure that we work, with the Latino community, particularly underserved, Spanish speaking communities that have not, been targeted by others, to make sure that they understand that in 2035, all vehicles that are being sold in California will be electric cars.
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
And we want to make sure that not only the industry understands that, that frankly, they're not as affordable as it should be and how the state and others can bring incentives so that we can have, folks buying it. And the most important part to buying a car that's electric and having electric cars, where do you charge it?
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DINO
Where do you.
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
Go.
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DINO
Ahead. No, no, no. I continue.
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
So our community has been thinking about those barriers, the cost of electric cars safe, are they reliable, and how do we break down those barriers to the community so they understand that? Where can they buy them? What are the incentives? Are there any tax credits and rebates that local initiatives can help them buy new cars and used cars?
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
And then the question about where do we charge them? How much does it cost? How much is that? Will it cost to me compared to gas if I charge the car? So those are some of the questions that we have been dealing with and doing the homework by actually engaging and talking to residents in their neighborhoods and in their communities, whether it's been, Ramona Gardens, City of Cares, East Los Angeles and engaging these folks about what's important for them.
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DINO
So how does okay, so how do I haven't understood haven't heard about the background. How does that bring us to the present research and information that has been developed around these gaps that we're now beginning to identify.
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
Well, the the Take Charge initiative, is precisely working on that, making sure that we talk to, the communities about these, these factors. Why do people understand where they can charge? And then these, our folks, the community, have been telling us, where do they want to see the Chargers? Where do they why are they need it?
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
What are their concerns to accessibility and making sure that they're in their communities, making sure that they tell us how they are needed to service some of the things that are helping us to better understand the community and wanting to tell us about this.
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DINO
What did the research reveal once you started having these conversations? I know that you guys focused on the East side. I mentioned earlier, parts of East LA, Boyle Heights, other communities. I think it was, Lincoln Heights as well. City Terrace. What did the research reveal?
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
The research revealed that our community, does not understand, did not understand how electric cars work. And by having, the research and talking to them at their, in their homes through either canvasing or the various, ways of reaching them through social media and direct radio, radio ads and conversations with them, they we realized that they were not understanding, what, were the benefits for them, how they could get a car that they were not as expensive once they utilize the, various incentives, and that by them deciding on where we should be asking the city and the county, to place the Chargers, they would be miles ahead if they
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
were not involved. And so we basically, surveyed, communities in their homes to get this information. And that's how we were able to engage them, and they were able to tell us what their concerns were.
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DINO
Now, I understand that there is high consideration rates among Latino communities despite lower adoption rates in previous years. Surveys show that as much as 43% of Latinos would definitely or seriously consider purchasing or leasing an EV, vehicle as their next vehicle. So when I hear you say that many of them don't understand or don't know is I'm guessing that has to do more with and I shouldn't probably guess.
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DINO
But considering when I look at, you know, we're doing the real time here in the studio that as much as 43% of Latinos definitely or seriously consider where exactly is that gap? Is it just that the industry is not targeting the Latino community or, you know, tell me, where do you think that gap lies?
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
I think I think that the gap has to do with a number of factors. One, that people think they're so out of range economically and they're too expensive. And so I think when we were talk, we have been talking to the community and they talked to us because it's really a partnership between community. Folks and them sharing with us what their concerns are is that they believe that electric cars are out of their reach because of the economy, because they can't afford them, and also because they're worried, whether or not these cars are, in fact safe and are they going to be able to charge them?
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
And how is that going to allow them to be able to do all of that? All those factors are part of the homework and the research that they shared with us, that then we are able to share with the city and county and other folks, but it's been, very exciting to us to see that the community really is very informed, but they have valuable concerns about the barriers.
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DINO
And it sounds like there's a trifecta of challenges here. While interest is high, factors like, you know, the EV costs, right? I mean, you're I know that there's a lot and we we will be able to get into this a little bit later in the program. But by some estimates, your average, you know, EV car can be as high as $60,000.
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DINO
And then when you couple that, you know, back to this idea that it's a trifecta of challenges with the lack of access to home charging and then many in our community are renters, not homeowners. Right. So you just can't, you know, have that, resource accessible to you? Quite frankly, myself as an EV owner, I don't know if not for the, the, upgrades, I was able to put in to have a charger at my home.
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DINO
I don't know that I would have been now on my third generation. So, you know, it's it's an interesting dynamic, but we are looking at investments coming in right?
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
Yes, yes. So part, part of what we have been sharing with the community. And they, they don't realize this is the incentives that the state has offered for them. Like I said, the various tax credits, the rebates, and by us having conversations with the different dealerships, they're beginning to understand that, there has to be a cost.
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LIDIA CAMARILLO
And they're producing cars that are much cheaper or less and less expensive. And so the various models, has that capacity, at least 1 or 2 models that people can afford.
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DINO
Well, and it's a great segue to let me introduce my, my second guest, joining us here in studio, you know, from Los Angeles County, the general manager for energy for all of L.A. County, who's here Minh Le. Welcome to the show.
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MINH LE
Well, thank you for having me.
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DINO
So, you know, we're talking about, you know, this issue of infrastructure. You oversee countywide strategies related to clean energy sustainability, public infrastructure investment. In fact, we were talking about, you know, just some of the work that you all started. Walk us through what your role and responsibility in this is.
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MINH LE
Well, certainly. You know, the county of Los Angeles, we, we represent nearly ten, million residents, all across here. And one of the challenges, of course, is our transportation infrastructure. Okay. And so, we laid out in our, sustainability plan in our 2025, our county sustainability plan, there's a zero emission transportation system goal to have around 15,000 EV charging stations at county owned facilities by 2045.
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MINH LE
And, you know, we're so happy, to partner with a number of, of, important organizations such as the CBI as well as grid alternatives, who you'll have on, the show, in a little bit here. But our goal here is to make sure that there's access to infrastructure all across the county. Not just as you pointed out, in the coastal, more affluent neighborhoods, but also all across the county, so that every resident has access and to date at county facilities, we have, over 1850 charging stations and many of these, more than half of these charging stations are actually at publicly facing facilities.
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MINH LE
Think of parks, think of libraries, think of, medical centers. This provides important access to residents who visit these, public facilities and have access to the infrastructure needed. Because, you know, you through a lot of very important statistics earlier and I want to highlight a few, please and leverage that some that you, spoke about earlier, which was that, you know, roughly half of our residents actually, live, rent they don't actually own the housing that they, they live in and orthogonal to that.
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MINH LE
This is roughly half of our residents live in multifamily housing, units, like, I think apartment buildings or condo buildings. And these are very, challenging, buildings to actually have heavy infrastructure because sometimes there's a split incentive, there's a landlord, right, etc. or it's just very difficult to put in charging infrastructure, at those facilities. And so those residents don't have access.
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MINH LE
And so, you know, the state has a very ambitious goal to, phase out fossil fuel vehicles by 2035.
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DINO
Very ambitious, very.
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MINH LE
Ambitious goal. And but we can't do that if people don't have access to, for example, electric vehicle charging stations or, hydrogen fueling stations. And so, in the county, this is an important element of our sustainability plan, because after all, roughly half of the emissions, in our community across our state is actually due to the transportation sector, people driving vehicles or, diesel, trucks, driving through our highways and that all that emissions impact has an impact on the health of our residents, the health of people in these communities.
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MINH LE
There was a really exciting study that just came out in the past two weeks or so, from the University of Southern California that talked about, how they can actually see the impact of electric vehicles in the, in cleaner air. So for every 200 vehicles, electric vehicles that are, registered in a zip code, they are noticing A1A little more than a 1% reduction in, nitrous oxide, which is a smog forming pollutant.
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MINH LE
Okay. And so when you think about the correlation of smog forming pollutants and asthma, okay, there's a direct public health impact there. You can measure that by a reduced number of air visits okay okay. And so so there's a reason why we're transitioning to electric vehicles okay. It's to improve the air quality in our, you know, in our region.
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MINH LE
And that actually has tangible impacts on the, on, on people who have asthma reducing asthma rates. But, you know, there's obviously, impact on climate issues as well.
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DINO
And by the way, for those of you who may be interested in this, and I just looked it up here, it's, coming out of the Clark School of Medicine. It's a study done out of USC that confirms that increasingly electric vehicles significantly reduce local air pollution. Analyzing data from 2019 to 2023, researchers found that about 200 additional zero emission vehicles in the neighborhood resulted in a decrease.
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DINO
It's not a huge decrease, but this is nonetheless. Yeah, I can get why you unit energy not somebody who's in this industry, would be excited about this. I just got excited. I looked at it, and.
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MINH LE
We can see that trend and, the progress that. And you highlighted some great progress that we're making in the state. You know, I was just up in, in San Francisco yesterday, speaking with, the state leaders in energy and electric vehicles and, and air quality. And we noted that there's now over 200,000 electric vehicle charging stations that are publicly accessible across California.
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MINH LE
Along with nearly one, I think it's like 900,000, electric vehicle charging stations that are at people's homes, you know, for their personal use. And so the the count here is amazing. We now have more publicly accessible EV charging ports, available to people than gas pumps.
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DINO
Okay. So let me ask you a question. Okay. Now let me bring in my own my own vibe. Why does it feel like I don't see this? When I was telling you before we went on air, I was telling, men that, you know, in my southeast neighborhood, you know, if not for my having my own.
00:25:46:09 - 00:26:06:19
DINO
And I'm guessing that if factored into this equation of yours. It still doesn't feel like you can drive down. Maybe you see one at a gas station, maybe at a more, And maybe because I have a Navy vehicle that is a little bit more on my mind. You know, your sustainability plan calls for 15,000. And you are?
00:26:06:20 - 00:26:09:07
DINO
I think to date, you said 1800.
00:26:09:09 - 00:26:11:04
MINH LE
A little more than 1800. Yes.
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DINO
Or what are the barriers to getting that up and going? 15,000 is ambitious. How fast do you see what kind of progress should we be expecting?
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MINH LE
We should we already seeing progress okay. And so, I want to point out because I think we compared gas stations to electric vehicle charging ports. You know, it's not exactly the same, but I also want to point out that, gas stations have been built over the past 100 years. Okay. So it took that long to build out what you see today on, you know, the corner of a lot of commercial district.
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MINH LE
So you see a gas station, right? Electric vehicle charging stations doesn't have to be as flashy, you know, sometimes you see, just have a few charging stations. And so they're being built and, but it takes resources to do that, and it takes a concerted effort to make sure that we have equitable distribution of, infrastructure across our entire community.
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MINH LE
And so when I spoke about those charging stations that we're putting in, it takes a lot of money. Okay. And so, at the county, my team works with the state and other, agencies to get those resources so we can install charging stations. For example, you know, we've received over 90, $19 million in grants from the state and from, and other utility incentives, that have helped us install those charging stations.
00:27:30:22 - 00:28:06:19
MINH LE
And our partners are so important in doing this, you know, from, the California Energy Commission, we won, the chill two grant, which is what we're talking about here today. As part of this take charge initiative. And it stands for convenient, highly visible, low cost level two charging. And, along with, the city of Los Angeles, who we're partnered with, we're happy to receive this grant because it enables us to concentrate many charging stations, in this case 300 charging stations in a part of our county where we call, charging Station Desert.
00:28:06:22 - 00:28:21:18
MINH LE
Right. Miles of very few opportunities to charge in, publicly available at publicly available charging stations. So alongside with the city of Los Angeles, who will install 120 curbside charging stations in Lincoln Heights and Boyle Heights.
00:28:21:18 - 00:28:24:10
DINO
Now, these are the ones that are on the.
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MINH LE
The streetlight poles.
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DINO
Light poles. And you kind of stop plugging them in from the side. You kind of pull them down, bring them down. Right. Yeah.
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MINH LE
There's a there's a challenge because copper is somewhat valuable and,
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DINO
Not get to.
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MINH LE
And people are cutting, the cables and so so we're the challenge here is that this is an important resource for members of the community. And so when someone cuts those cables, for that copper theft or because they don't like electric vehicle charging stations, it really impacts their communities. And so I hope that, you know, we'll see a reduction in that.
00:28:57:09 - 00:29:16:15
MINH LE
But, for the county's part, our goal is install about 180 publicly accessible, charging stations in county lots in the east LA, City Terrace, Maravilla and Belvedere Gardens communities. And, they'll be located at our hospitals, our parks and our libraries.
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DINO
Let me, let me let me reintroduce this topic today. Ladies and gentlemen, those of you tuning in to the signal, you know, we're, Yeah, we're talking ev ev, infrastructure, EV electronic vehicles. Today's episode, we're looking at this issue of accessibility. Right. We're taking a close look at how electric vehicle infrastructure is being planned, funded and delivered to communities that have historically been left out of major transportation investments.
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DINO
And, you know, several of my guests, you know, Lydia Maria from the Willie Velasquez Institute, mainly general manager, our energy guy at LA County are among the team that are investing, ensuring that communities that maybe in the past have not always had access to, charging ports and other infrastructure, begin to see that investment as somebody who is an owner of any vehicle, I myself, in the southeast area of L.A. County have experienced this firsthand.
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DINO
Let me introduce my, third guests. Also joining us on the line, Stella Ursua, who is with, grid Access clean California initiative. Did I get that right? Stellar.
00:30:35:02 - 00:30:45:10
STELLA URSUA
Hi, Armando. Look, grid. Alternative grid. Yes, yes, yes, yes, we are administrators for the access clean California program. Yeah.
00:30:45:10 - 00:30:48:23
DINO
Walk me through the Access Clean California program.
00:30:49:01 - 00:31:13:09
STELLA URSUA
Yes. So this is a program that was established, I would say, a little over five years ago. And, you know, our other partners here have talked about, equitable, distribution, equitable access. And so the state realized that, you know, there were a lot of folks, that were able to go out, go out and buy electric vehicles like a Tesla.
00:31:13:11 - 00:31:38:06
STELLA URSUA
You know, some high end type of, vehicle, electric vehicle. And we were more concerned with the folks that live in, communities like East L.A., South L.A., southeast L.A., right. What type of access, what type of programs were they tapping into? And so there was a lot of, education, that, that needed to take place.
00:31:38:06 - 00:32:04:23
STELLA URSUA
There were a lot of myths that we had to bus about, electric vehicle. But over these past five years, we have connected more and more, residents to electric vehicle and now to charging stations in their, in their local neighborhood. We we have also, started to work with, like, the housing authority, for L.A. County, Armando.
00:32:04:23 - 00:32:22:20
STELLA URSUA
And we're actually installing charging stations there. You don't have to leave their community. They can go just right around the corner, charge up. And again as well. We're going to connect them to grants and rebates that will help them get into an electric vehicle.
00:32:22:20 - 00:32:53:17
DINO
In fact, I'm glad you brought that up, because this past January and the January 2026 budget proposal by, California Governor Gavin Newsom, he announced a $200 million initiative to fund electric vehicle incentives aiming to counteract the loss of the 7500 federal tax credit. We won't get into that, but this move is designed to support the state's goal of 100% zero emission vehicles by 2035 that some of our other guests have already brought up.
00:32:53:19 - 00:33:04:06
DINO
While challenging the federal reduction of, clean air subsidies. What are your thoughts on Governor Newsom's, push for this, EV incentive?
00:33:04:08 - 00:33:27:16
STELLA URSUA
Well, you know, we're we're we're thrilled that he continues to see the value in this program. You can see from the results of these programs, from the fact that California still leads the nation in the number of electric vehicles that are being, purchased here in the state. And so this is something that we know people want to support.
00:33:27:18 - 00:33:46:02
STELLA URSUA
You know, we're doing all of this outreach, like, like, Lydia and Min have mentioned we're doing this outreach to make sure that people are aware of these programs because, you know, we we do a lot of work on the solar side, Armando, but we want people to know that there are programs that will help them reduce their electricity bill.
00:33:46:02 - 00:34:11:07
STELLA URSUA
But as well, there's programs that'll help them, perhaps trade in their vehicle, you know, for a gas guzzler for an electric vehicle. Right. And, and a lot of folks just didn't know that. And so this is a huge opportunity, the fact that he's reinvesting in these programs, you know, makes us all happy. But, you know, now it's time to do the work to get out there, make sure that we're connected.
00:34:11:07 - 00:34:25:17
STELLA URSUA
At our last event, we have about 100 or so people there, and it was so exciting to see the entire family going on a little test drive. You know, I've never seen one vehicle. Yeah. So they're really excited about it.
00:34:25:21 - 00:34:46:01
DINO
And, you know, I can imagine I mean, look at all of us. I think at one point or another have been through whether it's a new car or a used car, you know, as a young person, you get into a car, your dad has a a new car or a used car, and you feel that excitement. And it's almost as if there's this added emotion to the fact that this once electric, you know, I, I've.
00:34:46:01 - 00:34:46:18
STELLA URSUA
Started.
00:34:46:19 - 00:35:10:02
DINO
When I got my first EV car, I was like, hey, okay, I joined the EV, I wasn't I wasn't entirely sold in the very beginning. You know, I drive I still have it, a large pickup truck, you know, I'm six one, 280 pounds. I always used to say, man, you know, big man, big car. And when I got that first electric vehicle.
00:35:10:02 - 00:35:32:18
DINO
And even now, I didn't put it in the present text, you know, I would pay a full time gig driving back and forth every day, three, $400 of gas a month out, and now I pay less than that. And I charge three vehicles. So, you know, there's clearly, clearly, an added financial incentive, you know, so, like, is this sustainable?
00:35:32:18 - 00:35:58:14
DINO
Here's the million dollar question for you, right? I mean, you know, politics change. We look, I mean, we're living in a period in time where just a few years ago, you know, we were, I think in and, a couple of really nice, beautiful clouds around the heavy investment and the outlook, the general outlook. Here we are all of a sudden facing what could only be described as a crisis in just about every industry.
00:35:58:16 - 00:36:12:04
DINO
And while California is saying, look, we're going to cover this, we're going to invest in it. Is it sustainable? Can California continue this investment? Do you see that as a as a reality?
00:36:12:06 - 00:36:40:11
STELLA URSUA
Great question Armando. You know, I want to I want to feel that that California is committed. We've always been the leaders whether it's solar, energy, you know energy efficiency, electric vehicles, charging stations etc.. And so there's a lot of momentum behind us still. We were involved just real quick, or rather, we were involved with the project with Cal start in April and it was called Meet Truck.
00:36:40:11 - 00:37:08:22
STELLA URSUA
And so we were, we were focused on the 710 corridor. We were trying to help these organizations determine, charging infrastructure for, medium duty and heavy duty electric trucks. And there was a there's there's still money behind it. I'm sure there's going to be cuts, but we we've already moved forward on that effort. And so now you have charging hubs near the ports.
00:37:08:22 - 00:37:29:23
STELLA URSUA
You have charging hubs over in Long Beach and over towards, Rialto. I think it is. Right. There's a phase two. There's a phase three. We're hoping that there's more, more funding coming down the pipeline. But because of that effort, we know that we have changed a lot of people's minds. You know that this is possible.
00:37:30:01 - 00:37:31:11
STELLA URSUA
You know, and but.
00:37:31:16 - 00:37:51:17
DINO
And I'm glad you bring that up, because that southeast corridor, particularly, the 710 that leads into the port and has, such a high demand and, it's such a, well, traffic corridor, you would think that there'd be that much more of an investment in those regions. But that's exactly what we're talking about, right? We're talking about an investment.
00:37:51:20 - 00:38:17:01
DINO
Let me let's take a quick break, and bring back all of my guests. For those of you just tuning in, you know, today we're taking a close look at how electric vehicle infrastructure is being planned, funded and delivered in communities across Southern California within a specific emphasis. Those communities that have historically been left out of major transportation investments will be right back and have all our guests still with us and be ready to call in.
00:38:17:01 - 00:38:24:12
DINO
(818) 985-5735. We'll be back in a minute and it's on through Henderson tonight.
00:38:24:12 - 00:38:27:15
MUSIC INTRO
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MUSIC INTRO
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MUSIC INTRO
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MUSIC INTRO
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MUSIC INTRO
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00:39:00:22 - 00:39:26:16
DINO
Welcome back to The Signal news, information and analysis here on KPFA 90.7 for Los Angeles Pacifica Radio and streaming live@kpfk.org where I you know, you always dig the kpfk.org if we hear ourselves out on the signal. I've had just, dial n call in from as far as Ohio, Arizona, Nevada. And I'm sure there's folks listening and tuning in.
00:39:26:18 - 00:40:05:08
DINO
And as soon as my, producer nella says, you know, we're ready to go, we're going to go. 98557358189855735. Option one. And again, we're talking EV vehicles, right. My guests have been Stella Joshua, director of community engagement and partnerships at Grid Alternatives, Greater Los Angeles. Lydia Camarillo, a guest who's been with us in the past, president of the William C Velasquez Institute, who is working with, the Stella and others on a program that's bringing additional infrastructure here to summit, California.
00:40:05:09 - 00:40:27:13
DINO
And of course, Minh Le the, what I'm now, lovingly going to call the power man. The energy man at L.A. County, all L.A. County men, who is also a key player, of this project that's looking to develop more infrastructure if you are an EV owner, if you drive an EV car, you know, give us a call 189955735.
00:40:27:13 - 00:41:15:06
DINO
These folks want to hear what have been your, experiences, challenges. And with that, let's get into this. And I want to bring back all guests. Now let's get into what what's next in this project of you? All right. We're talking about, you know, we know that there's infrastructure investment coming down. But one of the more important things that I've heard consistently throughout this last 40 minutes is the importance of getting information out there, educating, our audiences, our communities, our constituents in our buyers, not just about the vehicles, the benefits, but also about letting them know about the incentives that are available when they go to you.
00:41:15:08 - 00:41:18:11
DINO
Walk us through what some of these incentives are.
00:41:18:12 - 00:41:40:12
MINH LE
Well, I'm so glad, to have great partners, you know, like alternatives in the CVI. Because, you know, they engage directly with our communities and, you know, bringing those myth and to communicate to the public, what those incentives are, to get people into electric vehicles and, and the ride and drive events that you spoke about earlier.
00:41:40:12 - 00:42:00:17
MINH LE
Those are so important. But so are the knowledge about incentives and so, you know, certainly the loss of the federal incentives, the $7,500, EV tax credits, have, you know, been a significant loss. But like you pointed out, the Newsom administration has put out $200 million in this year's budget in order to invest in those incentives.
00:42:00:19 - 00:42:25:11
MINH LE
But that's not the only incentives that are available. And so, are utilities are also stepping up and encouraging people to buy, in particularly used EVs. Okay. What you see now is like LED the Los Angeles Department of Water power. They're putting out up to, $4,000, to help people, purchase used electric vehicles. And our the county is electrified platform.
00:42:25:11 - 00:42:53:21
MINH LE
This is an EV education platform. Will help people understand, the the various incentives that are available. You can go to that website electrifies, la and, you can learn about, new electric vehicles as well as used electric vehicles. And you can plug in your zip code and you can figure out, you know, what incentives, might still be available to you for the purchase of the vehicle, but also potentially, to install a charging station at your, residence.
00:42:53:23 - 00:43:18:21
MINH LE
And so this is a great opportunity. We have, we have, an AI driven, car buying coach, that will help answer your questions. That's built on the knowledge base that we've built out over the past several years. This is an offshoot, from, research that we did, alongside Lawrence Berkeley National Labs. And so, this system is actually helping, dispel all those myths that, Stella talked about earlier.
00:43:18:23 - 00:43:47:03
DINO
Now, let me. Lydia, let me bring you back into this conversation. I, we get with we're getting messages and calls into the studio. And before I go to you, Angela, from a second to stand by Angelo. I did get an additional message that said, this sounds great. And wonderful. I understand what's being said, but how do we incentivize, other members of the community who may not fully understand, the English language, I think is what she's referring to.
00:43:47:07 - 00:44:11:00
DINO
So let's talk about accessibility. Another look, it goes without saying that LA is one of the most diverse cities in the world. And quite frankly, I'm a fan of somebody having the the the what is the privilege of being multilingual. Right. So for the bilingual challenge, who can only understand English? Lidia, what is, in your experience, how important is it to have this in other languages?
00:44:11:00 - 00:44:13:09
DINO
Spanish included?
00:44:13:11 - 00:44:37:07
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Well, if I mentioned that one of the most exciting parts about working on this, at the end of the day, we'll make sure that our health, our air pollution, everything is diminished by more people using electric cars, but also understanding that they're not affordable and they're not enough. Our charging stations and we took this on working on that, and people are beginning to be involved.
00:44:37:09 - 00:45:00:11
LIDIA CAMARILLO
But what is important is that we have been doing this in English and in Spanish. Covid 19. They should have spring earlier than we do it in Spanish. But we're also working with, Jennifer, means, team to make sure that if other languages are needed, that they're there. I mean, I think that one of the things that's exciting about the county is that it does.
00:45:00:14 - 00:45:35:05
LIDIA CAMARILLO
They do understand that they're serving a very diverse community. And part of this conversation that we're having is that they know that w CVI and Ingrid, alternatives have been focused on folks who do not necessarily speak English or English is not their first language. And I think that that has been very exciting. Things are exciting to us to realize that the Spanish speakers who, as you said, live in Ramona Gardens or other areas where it's not their own homes that they do care about these things, but they're also concerned about how do they get them, what is their concern?
00:45:35:06 - 00:45:57:18
LIDIA CAMARILLO
They get the end result about the emissions, carbon emissions being, you know, decreased. And at the end of the day, it will help us health wise. But they want to make sure that they are at the table deciding where the charging stations are going to be placed so that their communities are not left out. And that's part of the exciting part of this partnership.
00:45:57:19 - 00:46:11:08
DINO
Angela from Los Ankle is calling in on the, on the call line. Angela, we're talking EV vehicles, accessibility infrastructure. What say you from LA, Angela?
00:46:11:10 - 00:46:20:22
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Well, I want you to share my. Yeah, my experience with an EV, please. I'm getting a lot of echo and and turn.
00:46:20:23 - 00:46:38:12
DINO
Down your radio. Angela, if you're listening to us on the radio, get rid of the radio. You're now live here in the studios with my Guzman and my other guests. On the line. And these are the folks. Stella. Lydia mann are the folks who want to hear what your experience was like. But only if you turn on the radio.
00:46:38:12 - 00:46:41:15
DINO
Go for it. You're on the line. You're alive.
00:46:41:16 - 00:47:08:02
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Okay. I bought my EV in 2018. It was two years old, and I have had a wonderful experience with it. I was so impressed with the the torque and, the price, of course. It, it cost me less than a gas powered car of the same, same year, same age. And, since then, I have, roof panels on my house.
00:47:08:02 - 00:47:30:19
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Since then, I have been driving it without putting a drop of gasoline or oil into it. I have paid zero for maintenance, and I have had to buy tires and windshield wipers, of course, but, but that's it. I did put a charger on my house. I realize that's not going to be accessible or available to people who live in apartments.
00:47:30:21 - 00:47:42:13
LIDIA CAMARILLO
But hopefully something can be done about that. But all I can say is it has been a marvelous experience. The interior is luxurious. I paid 19,000 for it.
00:47:42:14 - 00:48:01:16
DINO
Oh, my God, I love the sales pitch. You're making. It's it's great. Angela, let me ask you something. When you decided that you were going to go clean vehicle. EV, did you do your own research? I mean, look, I'm hearing that we now have AI assistance.
00:48:01:16 - 00:48:03:11
LIDIA CAMARILLO
I'm sorry. I didn't quite hear that.
00:48:03:13 - 00:48:10:10
DINO
Did you do your own research? To what car? What? How to get there? One of the things we're talking about today is having resources.
00:48:10:10 - 00:48:13:10
LIDIA CAMARILLO
A fossil fuel industry interfering with this cold.
00:48:13:12 - 00:48:14:09
DINO
No, no.
00:48:14:11 - 00:48:18:12
LIDIA CAMARILLO
No. Can you hear me? That's interesting.
00:48:18:17 - 00:48:22:13
DINO
Angela, I think we might have lost Angela.
00:48:22:15 - 00:48:24:16
LIDIA CAMARILLO
What happened there?
00:48:24:18 - 00:48:28:04
DINO
Double check your mute.
00:48:28:06 - 00:48:42:19
DINO
Okay, well, maybe we'll get back to Angela. I think we might have, accidentally put her on mute. Not on our end. Ken. Ken from Long Beach. You're on the air. Live on the signal. News, information and analysis. We're talking EV vehicle scan.
00:48:42:21 - 00:49:06:11
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Okay, if, you're concerned about charging stations now, don't a lot of the vehicle just plug into your outlet? And what about someone going in the bay right there from time? That's inexpensive and running around all around the world.
00:49:06:11 - 00:49:32:23
DINO
Except here. Got it. All right, so let me let me bring it to one of our studio guests here. Ken from Long Beach is saying, man, that this is all great, and it's certainly servicing, American made, EV vehicles. But what about those of us that want to branch out into, foreign made vehicles? Particularly? He mentioned the Chinese, which are expanding at numbers that are just astronomical.
00:49:33:01 - 00:49:58:13
MINH LE
Yes. And that's certainly going to be a challenge for the US automotive industry. And this is a topic that I'm actually also very concerned about. And so, but first let me addresses, first question or first point about, you know, 120 volt outlets like a normal outlet that you might see in your room, whether those can be used to, charge electric vehicles that you, you know, so you don't have to go through the cost of installing a charging station at home.
00:49:58:13 - 00:50:26:19
MINH LE
And a lot of people certainly do that. Because the average commute, the average daily, mileage, for owners of cars in general across Los Angeles is about 30 miles. And so you can actually plug in to a 120 outlet, and receive enough juice, enough electricity, to satisfy your, your daily commute. And so people do that, it's certainly a better experience to have a charging station at home if you're able to access that.
00:50:26:20 - 00:50:56:23
MINH LE
And then let me shift to, his second question about, foreign in particular. You know, I believe Chinese. Manufacturers of electric vehicles, the Chinese now have surpassed, they're the top in the world in terms of EV sales. Right. And they're certainly exporting to a lot of different markets. The US actually has a lot of trade barriers, and effectively, Chinese electric vehicles, you know, are not imported to this country, because of those trade barriers.
00:50:56:23 - 00:51:25:06
MINH LE
So you really, even if you wanted to, you really couldn't buy one of those cars right now. And, and these, you know, these trade policies do help the domestic market. As long as the domestic market actually is, you know, materializes here. And. Sure. And we're putting a protectionist barrier. This administration in Washington has put up protectionist barriers, but they're also disincentivize the automotive manufacturers from, you know, building more electric vehicles.
00:51:25:11 - 00:51:47:01
MINH LE
And that's going to be a problem because the rest of the world is shifting to electric vehicles. Europe is buying electric vehicles, Canada is buying electric vehicles, you know, all over the world. And so the danger is that our big three automotive manufacturers will only be selling to the US market in the future. Okay. And so you can you have protectionism for some period of time to protect your domestic industry.
00:51:47:01 - 00:51:50:11
MINH LE
But at some point you're going to lose the global market.
00:51:50:11 - 00:52:02:20
DINO
Sure, sure. So which brings me as we begin to wind down, you know, our friends over at, Grid Alternatives, you guys are, a stellar.
00:52:02:22 - 00:52:24:11
DINO
You recently completed, you wrapped up your 20, 25 right hand drive events, but you also have an important event coming up next month. Yeah. That is also kind of picking up there and to Men's Point right now. And our caller Ken, who said, hey, what about we're talking resource. We're talking information. Tell us about what you all have planned in early February.
00:52:24:13 - 00:52:44:05
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Yeah. Thank you Armando. So we will be conducting a, virtual webinar next week, next Wednesday at 12 p.m.. We're hoping that, you know, with your help, we're going to get more people on the call, but we will. That will not be the last, virtual event we're trying to mix it up a little bit.
00:52:44:11 - 00:53:05:01
LIDIA CAMARILLO
We had a couple of in-person and drive events that we're going to try something a little bit different. So this, Wednesday, February 4th, and then we'll plan another event, probably, maybe like right after the, the workday so that we can reach folks that are just sitting home, that weren't able to make it, you know.
00:53:05:01 - 00:53:44:22
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Right. Middle of the day. But the other thing we're planning our Mundo is we're hoping that, Cal State and LA, we have some contacts there, and they participated in one of our writing drive events frequently, that we might be able to have an event there. Oh, okay. So that we did. Yeah. So that we get more students and faculty and, admin, folks, attending, seeing all these, you know, different cars, hopefully we get, you know, two of the local dealerships and, you know, just to provide them with an up close and personal opportunity to see these cars, to get in these cars, drive, etc..
00:53:45:00 - 00:53:49:05
LIDIA CAMARILLO
So we feel like, Cal State L.A. might be a really good opportunity for.
00:53:49:07 - 00:54:07:09
DINO
And it's so central, given that its location is really relative to the southeast area, which we've been talking about today. Of course, you know, just east of, of downtown L.A.. So give it to me one more time. Webinar Wednesday, February 4th, 12 p.m.. What is it called and how do people learn more about it? Give me a website.
00:54:07:11 - 00:54:29:00
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Yeah. So that the Take charge, event is, a community webinar. And so we, we'll be doing that again February 4th, 12 p.m.. And, there is a, what is it? The event. Right. Gosh darn it. Yeah.
00:54:29:02 - 00:54:32:21
DINO
Even brighter. Registration in which you can find that.
00:54:32:22 - 00:54:34:12
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Yeah. You can you hear me?
00:54:34:16 - 00:54:36:19
DINO
Yes. You can't. We just we can go ahead.
00:54:36:21 - 00:54:49:02
LIDIA CAMARILLO
Okay. So people can, log on to the CBI Instagram to register, and it's at William C Velasquez Institute. Or you can registering. You'll be a part of it. So we hope you can join us.
00:54:49:04 - 00:55:02:17
DINO
So as we close out, thank you. Thank you both, for that, man. Let me give you the last word on this, you know, take charge event webinar Wednesday, February 4th, 12 p.m.. Why is this important to you all?
00:55:02:19 - 00:55:32:22
MINH LE
Well, we're certainly, you know, excited to make sure that our community learns more about the electric vehicles that it is not just for, you know, the more affluent members of our population. It's available for everyone. And the infrastructure is going to be available, especially in this solar area where we're concentrating a lot of infrastructure so that we can we can see the benefits, the tangible benefits to our communities of improved air quality, improved public health, and just better experiences.
00:55:32:22 - 00:55:40:18
MINH LE
As one of your callers, spoke about a better experience, this is the where the future is headed. And and we want to make sure that the future is available for everyone.
00:55:40:20 - 00:56:07:21
DINO
Wonderful. Well, I want to thank my guests and remind you all of this important webinar coming up, next month. This is going to be the, take charge event that you can register, online at the CVI Instagram page. Wednesday, February 4th at 12 p.m. I want to thank all my guests, for joining me today, Stella Ursula from Great Alternatives L.A., and Lee from L.A. County, our power guy in L.A. County.
00:56:07:23 - 00:56:32:13
DINO
And Lydia Camarillo from the Willie Velasquez Institute. And, of course, thank, my phenomenal producer, Nela and engineer, and our director, Gary Baca. And I do want to recognize Patricia Gonzalez, an associate producer who contributed to this and close out what the following the EV transition is no longer a question of whether it will happen. It's already happening, folks.
00:56:32:15 - 00:56:53:15
DINO
And in California and in Los Angeles County, it's happening faster than anywhere else in the country. The real question now is who is it? Who is this transitioning transition working for? Because a clean car does not matter much if you have nowhere to charge it, nowhere. Fuel costs, sure, but that doesn't always help if you cannot afford the upfront price.
00:56:53:18 - 00:57:17:11
DINO
And climate progress does not feel real sometimes, especially in communities, where the folks are living under some of the worst air quality. So with that said, what we have, what we've discussed today is not about just purchasing a vehicle. It's about looking at the overall investment in our communities. The next chapter of the EV story is and will continue to be local.
00:57:17:11 - 00:57:47:17
DINO
It's about curbside chargers, apartment buildings, utility programs, and city, state, county level investments. So with that, I say don't give up and stay tuned. We will always bring you more news, information and analysis like that. What you heard today. You can listen to us online@kpfa.org where our program will be archived. I want to thank again Gary Baca, nella, Barbara and listen, don't forget speaking of clean up, wasn't all that my homies from the car show coming up next.
00:57:47:18 - 00:57:53:00
MUSIC INTRO
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00:57:53:00 - 00:58:01:13
MUSIC INTRO
Go right away and listen to me and then I'm sure not least more likely.
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